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32nd Degree Knights Templar Rebuts "Illuminati Defector" DiatribeDialogueResponding to:
D. Charles Pyle 1st Comment
From: D. Charles Pyle
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 4:06 AM
Subject: Your Illuminati Defector
May I suggest that you check into the background and provenance of this story and the woman? You will soon find that details in the story do not wash with truth. ==================== D. Charles Pyle, 32°, K.T. [Knights Templar] ------------------------------ Spes Mea In Deo Est ------------------------------ Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis. Sed Nomini Tuo Da Gloriam. ==================== Sterling Asks for Specifics
From: Sterling
D. Allan
To: D. Charles Pyle
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: Your Illuminati Defector
for example...? 32° KT, D. Charles Pyle Details Inconsistencies
From: D. Charles Pyle
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: Your Illuminati Defector
1. Well, for one thing, do you not find it strange that this woman is
still, well, alive? A groups as powerful as what she describes could have and would have made her
a sacrifice. Tightly knit secret groups with as much power as she describes know when people try
to leave and these 'apostates' conveniently disappear. Her claims are very much like those of
Ed Decker, who has claimed that the Mormon Church has tried to off him! This woman, if such an
otganization as this exists and wishes to maintain secrecy, would never have seen the light of
day. Even pseudonymous individuals can be and have been traced to real names.
2. Weishupt was the co-founder of the Illuminati, which organization
in that form ceased to exist when the Bavarian government shut them down and burned their
documents.
3. It is not the so-called Illuminati who are selling weapons to both
sides in the Middle East conflicts. IT was the government of the United States. The US government
created both Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Ladin. (Remember the Iran-Contra scandal, etc.)?
4. Jews espousing an order that officially hates their own race?
Jews being forced to believe in what they consider a non-existing entity? (Jews do not believe in
the existence of Satan in the manner that Christians do). The chief financiers of this
so-called order are Jewish?
5. The woman does not tell anyone what body of Freemasonry she
describes. I'm sure that she hopes no one will check up on her. She is speaking of the House of
the Temple, now headquarters of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, Southern
Jurisdiction of the United States. Her claims are repeated from books that are known to be
fraudulent in nature, some of which were confessed by their writers. I am an active member of
this Order. Workings into the middle of the night? Hardly. The only night workings that go on
there are putting on of Degrees from time to time, and we are all out of there well before 11pm.
Men only are admitted to these, and only those who are members of the Scottish Rite or new
candidates (always men). That excludes the woman of the story.
My mother Valley is Long Beach Scottish Rite Bodies, one of the
largest of the bodies in all of California and in the country, and having one of the largest
temples or cathedrals in the country. The only night meetings we have are Degree conferrals,
Stated Meetings, I.G.A.C. meetings (a talk and suggestion-making meeting for improvement of
activities and service) and the like. Again, women are not allowed to be present in these
meetings. The only meetings women are allowed to attend are festivals of the Scottish Rite and
Ladies' Night dinners. Nothing occult in nature goes on in any of these.
For that matter, nothing goes on that speaks positively of Lucifer in
any manner. In fact, he is spoken of and portrayed quite unflatteringly in the texts of the
Degrees, particularly that of the 19°. I am a 32° Scottish Rite Mason and am a member of Degree
Conferral teams for the 14°, 24° and 32°, and am Degree Master for the 31°. In not one
instance can anything Luciferian be found. In addition, I have been taken into locked rooms and
given access to documents in locked cabinents by Illustrious members of the 33°, some of whom I
count my friends. I have been praised in meetings as one of the most intellectual of Masons ever
met there in years. (I bring this up not as a matter of pride but only to show what those of the
33° there think of me). I have read (and own!) books that most Masons will never see.
I am also a Royal Arch Mason, a Cryptic Mason, a Knight Templar and I
was even invited to and accepted membership in an invitational body of Freemasonry to
which most Masons will never belong. I can tell you that I have yet to see anything of a
so-called Luciferian nature in any of them, and I am quite an avid reader of and participant
in things Masonic. Of course, you probably think that I am lying about all of this, so I do not
think it worth taking my time going into further details about any of this.
6. There is no such office as 'president of the Eastern Star',
otherwise known as the Order of Eastern Star. The two presiding officers of this entire Concordant
Body are called Most Worthy Grand Matron and Most Worthy Grand Patron. Don't believe
it? Check the following URL to the official web site of the General Grand Chapter of the
Order of Eastern Star for what the presiding officers for Easter Star are called: http://www.easternstar.org/ggc/ggcofficers.html.
Her maternal grandmother could not have been a high-ranking Freemason.
Women are not admitted to the Masonic Order in regular Freemasonry. Regular Freemasons do not
support irregular Masonry and would not countenance a woman being made a Master Mason. We take
obligations not even to set foot in such lodges or associate with those who confer these degrees
upon women. While Eastern Star is a Concordant Body of Masonry, members do not become Masons be
becoming members. Men must already be Masons in order to join. Women must be related to Masons
(see http://www.easternstar.org/oes/join.html for
membeship requirements). So-called 'woman Masons' are not admitted to this body.
7. She has never known anyone 32° or higher who was not a member of
the Illuminati? I am a Master of the Royal Secret, 32°, and I am not a member of such an
organization. No one I know belongs to such a thing, either. To us all, modern Illuminatism is a
myth of Satanic proportions.
8. Mormons infiltrated by the so-called Illuminati since 1950???
Jehovah's Witnesses, too??? Have you ever read anything from the Jehovah's Witnesses regarding
Freemasonry? Let me tell you that it is not a flattering picture at all. These claims are
both so much ridiculous poppycock, as are those that the CIA and FBI are infiltrated by a
non-existent organization. Of course, based upon what I have read on your site elsewhere, you are
lkely to believe all this with all your heart, regardless of the evidence, because it is
unflattering to the Church. But, what are the details of this alleged meeting between Mormons and
the Illuminati in the 1950s? Where is her evidence? Surely, she could have provided something to
verify, could she not? Does this woman even exist, or is she a phantom like Diana Vaughan, her
counterpart?
9. This woman claims that VR technology was used in her and others'
training? How long ago? How aware are you of the recent beginnings of realistic VR training, of
any kind? How old is this 'woman' now? Ten??? Did you know that the form of torture this woman
describes was in a movie I saw about seven to ten years ago? I do not now recall the title
but I find this both uncanny and suspicious.
10. Possible to escape as powerful an international organization as
the one she describes? Impossible. Everyone would have good reason to be afraid to leave. No one
who leaves would survive. They would be noticed as missing, tracked down, and caused to disappear
or die a mysterious death. This would especially be so of those who are in the know. I mean, look
at the former KGB and related organizations?
11. Of course, knowing that her story would not wash because there
would be such a lack of evidence to back her false story, assuming this woman even exists, she
must make the claim that they really do not care who gets free and exposes the groups, since no
one will believe these dissidents anyway. Yet, these same people are afraid for their lives and
most of them never leave out of fear of being killed? From a worldwide organization of well
trained assassins capable of tracking down and killing those who leave??? What load of bull!
I cannot believe that you fell for this refuse.
Do I need to go on? There are more points that I could raise but I
think I have given you more than enough to get started in your investigation, if you really wanted
to do so. (An apology to your readership might be a consideration and would not be out of order
when you begin learning the truth). I'm not sure that you are interested in the truth, however. Of
course, I could also be pleasantly surprised. Surprise me. :-)
==================== D. Charles Pyle, 32°, K.T. ------------------------------ Spes Mea In Deo Est ------------------------------ Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis. Sed Nomini Tuo Da Gloriam. ==================== Slavi's Replypending as of Dec. 26 D. Charles Pyle Comment
From: D. Charles Pyle
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: 32° Knights Templar Rebuts "Illuminati Defector" Diatribe
Mr. Allan,
As will I. Boy, I sure let a lot of spelling errors go, didn't I?
Sorry about that. Let me know what 'she' further claims. I love conpiracy theorists. They are
fun. While there are conspiracies all around the world of differing sorts, those that are most fun
are those that are created from whole cloth and perpetuated like this one. Freemasonry
(especially Scottish Rite Freemasonry!) hand-in-glove with a world-wide organization of
assassins with a Luciferian agenda? What a hoot! If only 'she' knew of all our obligations
and vows to give learning to all mankind, benefit and serve mankind, and protect them from
tyrants, error, bigotry, intolerance and ignorance, and other ills of the human condition, even at
peril of our lives. 'She' may never have made the claims 'she' has, had 'she' known about any of
this. But, some people believe everything they read in books, so...well...you get the picture. :-)
==================== D. Charles Pyle, 32°, K.T. ------------------------------ Spes Mea In Deo Est ------------------------------ Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis. Sed Nomini Tuo Da Gloriam. ====================
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