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Hinckley Wrong About ResponsibilityApril 7, 2003 p.s. "Just Following Orders" is no worse spiritually than "just follow the prophet." How about taking some responsibility for our actions?
FeedbackGod Holds Man ResponsibleFrom: ** I was also disturbed by the talk. The scriptures that immediately came to my mind were DC 134:1.. 1 We believe that governments were instituted of God for the benefit of man; and that he holds men accountable for their acts in relation to them, both in making laws and administering them, for the good and safety of society. The fact that he supported the war in Iraq was also disturbing to me because I didn't see how you can reconcile the US actions with DC 98:23 to the end.
Give us a King
From: Gary Grunau
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [sterlingda] Editorial: Hinckley Wrong About Responsibility
Interesting, just within the last week I was shown that the Israelites wanted a king, because they didn't want the responsibility for choosing for themselves. All ties together. If someone else does all the thinking and decision making, we are just following orders. If one can't think for himself let him be subject to one who will do the thinking for him. It will be that way in the eternities. We will be servants to those who will think and be responsible for us if we can't think and be responsible for for ourselves. For most people that is all they want. Blessing brother, Gary
Greatest Evil of All
From: Thurston
P. Bell
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:42 AM
Subject: RE: Editorial: Hinckley Wrong About Responsibility
This gets into the whole Nuremburg defense, the Catholic Church's absolving of the sin of murder for those who fight their country's wars, and the fact that in the Uniform Code of Military Justice a Soldier does not have to follow an illegal order given to him.
Herein lies the
problem. Was it not legal to imprison minorities in Nazi Germany? Was it not within
their law to dispose of them as they did? Is it not true that the Hippocratic Oath that
Dr.'s take now say "...I will not do anything illegal..." instead of saying that I will
protect and preserve all human life? By the way Dr. Mengela (the angel of Death)
would have loved that oath.
When you are in the
military orders must be followed, but illegal immoral orders do not. Nevertheless, in the
heat of battle or right afterwards, one might be shot on the spot just in a fit of rage for not
following an order, and the collective will just go along with it, just a Larken wrote of one day.
The collective just
going along with leadership is the GREATEST EVIL OF ALL, it is the EVIL OF HUMANITY.
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Geneva Convention Even Knows BetterFrom: "Dean J Mansfield" <mansfielddj@hotmail.com> Dear Sterling, Ol' man Hinkley is really behind the "power curve" on this one. I am a veteran (Vietnam) and retired Army noncomissioned officer. U.S. soldiers are constantly given classes on the Geneva Convention and the required humane ways to treat prisoners and civilians. No soldier is required to follow any order that would violate these strict laws. In fact, it is the individual soldier's responsibility not to follow an unlawful order, whether from a NCO or commissioned officer. So Hinckley's remarks are meaningless in regards to soldiers in the U.S. military. The U.S. military is way ahead of whatever he may be referring to. Also--I don't think it is known by many--the Air Force includes their Chief of Chaplains when considering targets to bomb. This is to make sure all humane considerations are given concerning noncombatants when plans are made. There's no way the leadership of the LDS church can claim to be "prophets, seers and revelators." They are regular guys, like any of us, often if not always absurd in their pretensions. The sooner the LDS realize this, the better. Take care & Shalom. Dean.
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