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You are here: Greater Things > God > Face to Face > Part I: Beholding God Face to Face -- Seeing God in All Things

Beholding God Face to Face -- Seeing God in All Things

The following is the first in a series that is indexed at "Seeing God Face to Face."

Page Contents:
Jon Hess' EpiphanySterling's Paradigm ShiftFollow-up Dialogue with Keith

 

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Jon Hess on Seeing God Face to Face

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas, Keith (NTO)" <Keith.Thomas@pacificorp.com>
To: "'Sterling D. Allan'" <sterlingda@patriotsaints.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 7:10 AM
Subject: face to face

Sterling I think you know Jon Hess. my story and his are of one heart and one mind. below is his story. I know that you are having a hard time with this and hope this may help you understand better where/how and why. may the spirit of acceptance rest upon you as you read this.

love and light

Keith

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March 14, 2001
Dear Doug,

Keith has shared with us some of your correspondence with him concerning meeting God "Panim el panim", or face to face; and you asked him for the methodology so that you could emulate the "steps" and achieve this in you own life; or, something close to that. The three of us, Keith, Bruce and Jon, all worked for the same utility company at one time, and together set out on this very path--it became the consuming desire of our hearts and being. I clung the hardest to doctrine, scriptures, and church structure and measured my own capabilities on this path by a strict correlation with accepted methodologies. Especially, I measured my own capabilities by the experiences of Joseph Smith, Sidney Rigdon, Alexander Niebaur, Lorenzo Snow, and Melvin J. Ballard--because, by their own accounting, they detailed how they had met God, face to face. Now, that's a pretty short list. The shortness of the list was daunting; but, our belief in their experiences, and the challenge of Joseph Smith that we can each drink from the source ourselves, animated us throughout our lives to meet God for ourselves.

So what was holding us back? Why wasn't our faithfulness to church thinking, adherence to standards and commandments, knowledge of the scriptures, knowledge of the Hebrew scriptures, and knowledge of church history working. You may have asked yourself that question many, many times. The secret, or the "hidden knowledge" lies in the invitation of Joseph Smith, "You can each have the experience I had for yourselves, just ask, believing and nothing doubting". After his own experience in the grove, Joseph knew how simple it was to do and invited everyone else to have this experience. This was the consuming hope of his life; and yet, since that time, how many souls have actually done it? Not Brigham, not the twelve, not his own family members. Sidney did it with Joseph, never by himself. People flocked to the person who had "Communed with Jehovah"; but, would not or could not do it for themselves--they asked Joseph to ask God for them, and this evolved into general revelations to all. What held them back? The Book of Mormon calls it, "The veil of our unbelief". Our unbelief in what? We thought, "If we can just find out the answer to that question, maybe we can rectify the problem and finally achieve our desires".

It is the unbelief in ourselves. We simply do not believe that we are worthy; or, we believe the pronouncements of others--that God has revealed all that is necessary and would only appear to someone for a special purpose. These are not easy obstacles to overcome. What drew the three of us together in a strong friendship was this very struggle to overcome our own beliefs, traditions, and prejudices. We thought we knew intellectually how to do it; but, we were not doing it. So, we thought we needed more knowledge and more information from the experiences of others; and so, we searched long and hard in books and among other people for new information that would help us. What is really comical is that we had the information we needed, but we were unaware that we had it. So, we searched and searched.

One simple clue is that Jesus said, "I am the stone that the builders set at naught". "What's that got to do with anything?", I replied to him when he made the statement to me recently. But, the statement set in motion a chain of thoughts and discoveries that I had never seen before, and that are part of the answer to your question, "what is the methodology?". We are all caught up in our pursuit of "Celestial Glory", being anointed "Kings and a Priests", and getting to the highest kingdom possible. We say to ourselves, "Well I'm not able to meet God, so, I'll earn his approval and rewards by working hard and being faithful"; "I will earn the crown, and then, surely I will meet God". So, we build buildings of stone and wood to represent the temple of our bodies where we can go and figuratively meet God at a "veil" and embrace Him and be admitted to his presence. We go often to learn the hidden truths to help us achieve such a meeting. And you ask, "What has all this got to do with the "stone that the builders set at naught"? To answer your question, and the answers must come from within you yourself, consider the building methodology. The plans are drawn, a foundation is laid, the walls begin to rise, and all the while in the stone quarry, master quarrymen are cutting and selecting stone. From the beginning, the master mason and the master quarrymen, look for the capstone of the temple--a stone without flaws, perfect, and beautiful, to be the last stone placed on the structure--a crown of glory. And when they find it, they rejoice because it represents the crown they someday hope to wear. So, they carefully place it where they can see it, so they won't lose it, and slightly out of the way so that it won't be in the way. Soon, everyone in their zeal to finish the edifice, forgets the capstone and begins to stumble against it in their work and most painfully they bark their shins on it. So, Jesus is the Stone and we builders do set Him at naught. Jesus tells the truth and He does not lie. "Hum, maybe", thought the three of us, "we can believe His promise in the 14th chapter of John, 'I will visit you', and later, 'The Father and I will visit you and make our abode with you'". We still had our baggage of methodology and unworthiness; but, we were beginning to look to the "Stone of Israel" that we had set at naught, Jesus, and believe Him.

So, very simply, the three of us share a simple thought with God, "Seek first the kingdom of heaven and all else will be added unto you", and, "the kingdom of heaven is within you". So simply said and so hard to achieve. We will do almost anything to avoid it. We will study and read, search and listen, we will follow methodologies, churches, and other good people; but, we will not "be still and listen". And when He talks to us, we refuse to believe our own experience and believe that He talks to us "in our own language after our own manner of speech"!

This path will surprise you and it will not be at all what you expected. However, there is nothing else to do! You will not win praise from anyone. You will not win approval from anyone. You will invite scorn and disbelief; and, you will walk the path very much alone--simply because Jesus and the Father will constantly surprise you with their questions and answers. As Keith related in his story, God asked him, "How long are you going to search for me in books?". That means all books, including all of the scriptures. You will have conversations with Them in the middle of meetings, in the grocery store, in you car, on walks, in you bed at night, at work, in the middle of conversations with other people. So, "be still and listen", and answer and question. He said to Isaiah, "Come, let us reason together"! Just believe Him and then you will believe and They will come to you and you will be filled with Their love. You will not doubt, you will know, as we three know, how easy it always was.

Jon

 

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Sterling Allan's Paradigm Shift on Seeing God Face to Face

[Sterling's Note: I underwent a major paradigm shift in the course of writing this.  Rather than rewrite the beginning to reflect my perspective at the end, I am leaving it as is so you can perhaps experience the shift with me.  Basically, I thought Keith was discounting the actual seeing of God, replacing it with something conjured in the mind.]

Keith,

Thanks for sharing this. I know what you are talking about when you describe the intense quest to seek the face of God, as is admonished and promised in the scriptures.  I believe you have an important point to make here, but I also believe you are missing a very important point.

Where you make a very wonderful point is in regards to the readily-accessible communion with God that is available to all, within their own temples -- the temple of their body. In this context, your point about setting at naught the cornerstone of Christ is very good. Yes indeed, people make a personal relationship with God so impossible that they miss the very essence of the gospel which is the grace by which even the most vile of sinners may have access if they but turn to God.

However, the very important point that you have missed, or which you misconstrue, is that there still is such a thing as a capstone event of overcoming all things and coming into the very presence of God -- in the flesh -- to behold him(&her) face to face. The communion of which you speak is preparatory in the overcoming process. Don't ignore the end because you have discovered such a profound truth regarding the means.

Without this end in mind, where are you headed?

Now, having said that, I will backtrack and make an observation here that could be a bridge between where you are coming from and what I just said.

We both believe with all our hearts that in each person (and I go so far as to include all living things, which includes rocks and what are normally considered inanimate objects; for all things are living and have intelligence and are capable of enlargement -- however long it takes -- line upon line, grace for grace, until receiving of a fullness) has the potential encoded within them to attain godhood or ultimate perfection.

When we understand this, to a certain extent we can say we have seen God face to face, as we look into the face of our neighbor, or even as we look in the mirror (though that comment is more likely to be construed as egocentric than exalted).

As we come to this understanding in our heart of hearts, we have removed from us any inclination to injure another, for we know that the statement, "whatsoever ye do unto the least of these, my brethren, ye do unto me," is true not only because God created that person or thing, but because that person or thing has God in them; and some day, whether a few years, or billions of years or even eons of time hence, will attain to the fullness and reign as almighty God in some universe, overseeing with all the attributes of God, the development of those intelligences placed into his(&her) charge. We know that to injure that person or thing is to set back that process; so we only want to build and facilitate their development and enlargement.

We know that the ultimate manifestation of the attributes of godliness is summarized in the word "charity" -- the pure love of Christ. We also know that the quintessential manifestation of charity is free-will service to our fellow men (and all living things). Hence to be in the service of our fellow men is only to be in the service of our God.

So yes, to epitomize what you have said, when we see the face of God in the mirror as well as in the face of our neighbor, then we have truly seen the face of God in the flesh to a very significant extent. But to bring up the point that I raise, I believe that after we have walked faithfully in this fashion and overcome all things through the Spirit of God that dwells in us, then we will be privileged to behold the head honcho, face to face.

But even in saying that, I backtrack, for we know that God does not accomplish his work all by himself, but in the spirit of the body of Christ, he manifests himself and his love through the legion of angels at his command. Even the Spirit of God, also called the Holy Ghost, is made manifest through the legion of spirits in the world unseen by us in mortality, as they operate in the office of the Holy Ghost, as messengers of God, to impart truth to us. So I would even dare say that if we were to fall at the feet of the head honcho, that he would in turn raise us from our feet and point to the many around him who have helped make possible his glory and love. He would point to the flower that gave us joy as we looked upon it and smelled its fragrance and delighted in its hues of color and pleasing shape. He would remind us of our mortal mothers who was so gentle and loving with us in raising us to adulthood. He would call to mind our fathers who rebuked us in love and taught us to discern between right and wrong. He would present our spouse before us to remind us of the love and wholeness we received through them. He would remind us of our children and the many lessons in love they give us.  He would show us our elementary school teacher who lifted our spirit and helped us gain confidence in our unique abilities. He would even show us the bully that gave us such a hard time and remind us how it build character in us and stirred within us a revulsion toward such behavior, teaching us an important lesson.

All of these things are part of God, part of his love, part of his plan. To see them is to see God, for God manifests himself to us through them an in them. They are God. We are God. All of us.

No, I am not saying by this that there is no head honcho who is deserving of our worshipful reverence, for there is, and all glory and honor and praise be to him(&her) forever and ever. And yet God is what God is because of all these other things. They are God. Praise be to God. Praise be to my mother for her loving care. Praise be to the flower that shows itself so beautifully. Praise be to our fathers who strive so diligently to raise us in the way we should go.  Praise be to our children who teach us what it is to be a creator.  Praise be to our spouses who share in our lives and make us more whole.  Praise be to the teachers who so selflessly give of themselves to direct us in our path. Praise be to the bullies who teach us patience and forgiveness. Bless their souls, that they may be turned to God -- the God that is within them and everyone. May they see God face to face in their fellow men, that they might turn from their hatred and their insecurity and their meanness, for these are not becoming of the true essence that is within them.

My heart is burning within me and my eyes are brimmed with tears as I write these things.

Thank you, Keith and Jon, for helping me to see this very beautiful truth. Thank you God-Keith, and Jon-God. Blessed be your names.

Sincerely, your friend and brother in Christ,

Sterling D. Allan - God (not the head honcho, but part of the body of Christ, and part of the face of God)
www.greaterthings.com
March 15, 2001

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